Don’t bore us, get to the chorus: You need less privacy so we can protect the children Yet another international cop shop has come out swinging against end-to-end encryption – this time it’s Europol which is urging an end to…
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Germany arrests trio accused of trying to smuggle naval military tech to China
Prosecutors believe one frikkin’ laser did make its way to Beijing Germany has arrested three citizens who allegedly tried to transfer military technology to China, a violation of the country’s export rules.… This article has been indexed from The Register…
Watchdog tells Dutch govt: ‘Do not use Facebook if there is uncertainty about privacy’
Meta insists it’s just misunderstood and it’s safe to talk to citizens over FB The Dutch Data Protection Authority (AP) has warned that government organizations should not use Facebook to communicate with the country’s citizens unless they can guarantee the…
US House of Representatives passes new TikTok ban bill to Senate
Sadly no push to ban stupid TikTok dances, but ByteDance would have year to offload app Stateside Fresh US legislation to force the sale of TikTok locally was passed in Washington over the weekend after an earlier version stalled in…
UK data watchdog questions how private Google’s Privacy Sandbox is
Leaked draft report says stated goals still come up short Google’s Privacy Sandbox, which aspires to provide privacy-preserving ad targeting and analytics, still isn’t sufficiently private.… This article has been indexed from The Register – Security Read the original article:…
Has the ever-present cyber danger just got worse?
Facing down the triple threat of ransomware, data breaches and criminal extortion Sponsored On the face of it, there really isn’t much of an upside for the current UK government after MPs described its response to attacks by cyber-espionage group…
Google all at sea over rising tide of robo-spam
What if it’s not AI but the algorithm to blame? Opinion It was a bold claim by the richest and most famous tech founder: bold, precise and wrong. Laughably so. Twenty years ago, Bill Gates promised to rid the world…
Rarest, strangest, form of Windows saved techie from moment of security madness
For once, Redmond’s finest saved the day – by being rubbish in unexpectedly useful ways Who, Me? It’s Monday once again, dear reader, and you know what that means: another dive into the Who, Me? confessional, to share stories of…
Researchers claim Windows Defender can be fooled into deleting databases
Two rounds of reports and patches may not have completely closed this hole BLACK HAT ASIA Researchers at US/Israeli infosec outfit SafeBreach last Friday discussed flaws in Microsoft and Kaspersky security products that can potentially allow the remote deletion of…
China creates ‘Information Support Force’ to improve networked defence capabilities
A day after FBI boss warns Beijing is poised to strike against US infrastructure China last week reorganized its military to create an Information Support Force aimed at ensuring it can fight and win networked wars.… This article has been…
MITRE admits ‘nation state’ attackers touched its NERVE R&D operation
PLUS: Akira ransomware resurgent; Telehealth outfit fined for data-sharing; This week’s nastiest vulns Infosec In Brief In a cautionary tale that no one is immune from attack, the security org MITRE has admitted that it got pwned.… This article has…
Sacramento airport goes no-fly after AT&T internet cable snipped
Police say this appears to be a ‘deliberate act.’ Sacramento International Airport (SMF) suffered hours of flight delays yesterday after what appears to be an intentional cutting of an AT&T internet cable serving the facility.… This article has been indexed…
WhatsApp, Threads, more banished from Apple App Store in China
Still available in Hong Kong and Macau, for now Apple has removed four apps from its China-regional app store, including Meta’s WhatsApp and Threads, after it was ordered to do so by Beijing for security reasons.… This article has been…
Cybercriminals threaten to leak all 5 million records from stolen database of high-risk individuals
It’s the second time the World-Check list has fallen into the wrong hands The World-Check database used by businesses to verify the trustworthiness of users has fallen into the hands of cybercriminals.… This article has been indexed from The Register…
Germany cuffs alleged Russian spies over plot to bomb industrial and military targets
Apparently an attempt to damage Ukraine’s war effort Bavarian state police have arrested two German-Russian citizens on suspicion of being Russian spies and planning to bomb industrial and military facilities that participate in efforts to assist Ukraine defend itself against…
Ransomware feared as IT ‘issues’ force Octapharma Plasma to close 150+ centers
Source blames BlackSuit infection – as ISP Frontier confirms cyberattack Octapharma Plasma has blamed IT “network issues” for the ongoing closure of its 150-plus centers across the US. It’s feared a ransomware infection may be the root cause of the…
Crooks exploit OpenMetadata holes to mine crypto – and leave a sob story for victims
‘I want to buy a car. That’s all’ Crooks are exploiting month-old OpenMetadata vulnerabilities in Kubernetes environments to mine cryptocurrency using victims’ resources, according to Microsoft.… This article has been indexed from The Register – Security Read the original article:…
House passes bill banning Uncle Sam from snooping on citizens via data brokers
Vote met strong opposition from Biden’s office A draft law to restrict the US government’s ability to procure data on citizens through data brokers will progress to the Senate after being passed in the House of Representatives.… This article has…
Korean researcher details scheme abusing Apple’s third-party pickup policy
Criminals make lucrative use of stolen credit cards Speaking at Black Hat Asia on Thursday, a Korean researcher revealed how the discovery of one phishing website led to uncovering an operation whose activities leveraged second-hand shops and included using Apple’s…
185K people’s sensitive data in the pits after ransomware raid on Cherry Health
Extent of information seized will be a concern for those affected Ransomware strikes at yet another US healthcare organization led to the theft of sensitive data belonging to just shy of 185,000 people.… This article has been indexed from The…
EU tells Meta it can’t paywall privacy
Platforms should not confront users with ‘binary choice’ over personal data use The EU’s Data Protection Board (EDPB) has told large online platforms they should not offer users a binary choice between paying for a service and consenting to their…
Prolific phishing-made-easy emporium LabHost knocked offline in cyber-cop op
Police mimic Spotify Wrapped videos to let crims know they’re being hunted Feature Cops have brought down a dark-web souk that provided cyber criminals with convincing copies of trusted brands’ websites for use in phishing campaigns.… This article has been…
Cisco creates architecture to improve security and sell you new switches
Hypershield detects bad behavior and automagically reconfigures networks to snuff out threats Cisco has developed a product called Hypershield that it thinks represents a new way to do network security.… This article has been indexed from The Register – Security…
Singapore infosec boss warns China/West tech split will be bad for interoperability
When you decide not to trust a big chunk of the supply chain, tech (and trade) get harder One of the biggest challenges Singapore faces is the potential for a split between tech stacks developed and used by China and…
Taiwanese film studio snaps up Chinese surveillance camera specialist Dahua
Stymied by sanctions, it had to go … but where? Chinese surveillance camera manufacturer Zhejiang Dahua Technology, which has found itself on the USA’s entity list of banned orgs, has fully sold off its stateside subsidiary for $15 million to…
Hugely expanded Section 702 surveillance powers set for US Senate vote
Opponents warn almost anyone could be asked to share info with Uncle Sam On Thursday the US Senate is expected to reauthorize the contentious warrantless surveillance powers conferred by Section 702 of the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA), and may…
Kremlin’s Sandworm blamed for cyberattacks on US, European water utilities
Water tank overflowed during one system malfunction, says Mandiant The Russian military’s notorious Sandworm crew was likely behind cyberattacks on US and European water plants that, in at least one case, caused a tank to overflow.… This article has been…
Exploit code for Palo Alto Networks zero-day now public
Race on to patch as researchers warn of mass exploitation of directory traversal bug Various infosec researchers have released proof-of-concept (PoC) exploits for the maximum-severity vulnerability in Palo Alto Networks’ PAN-OS used in GlobalProtect gateways.… This article has been indexed…
OpenAI’s GPT-4 can exploit real vulnerabilities by reading security advisories
While some other LLMs appear to flat-out suck AI agents, which combine large language models with automation software, can successfully exploit real world security vulnerabilities by reading security advisories, academics have claimed.… This article has been indexed from The Register…
Japanese government rejects Yahoo! infosec improvement plan
Just doesn’t believe it will sort out the mess that saw data leak from LINE messaging app Japan’s government has considered the proposed security improvements developed by Yahoo!, found them wanting, and ordered the onetime web giant to take new…
Fire in the Cisco! Networking giant’s Duo MFA message logs stolen in phish attack
Also warns of brute force attacks targeting its own VPNs, Check Point, Fortinet, SonicWall and more Cisco is fighting fires on a couple cybersecurity fronts this week involving its Duo multi-factor authentication (MFA) service and its remote-access VPN services.… This…
Fire in the Cisco! Networking giant’s Duo MFA leaks message logs
Also warns of brute force attacks targeting its own VPNs, Check Point, Fortinet, SonicWall and more Cisco is fighting fires on a couple fronts this week after security incidents involving its Duo multi-factor authentication (MFA) service and its remote-access VPN…
MGM says FTC can’t possibly probe its ransomware downfall – watchdog chief Lina Khan was a guest at the time
What a twist! MGM Resorts wants the FTC to halt a probe into last year’s ransomware infection at the mega casino chain – because the watchdog’s boss Lina Khan was a guest at one of its hotels during the cyberattack,…
Alleged cryptojacker accused of stealing $3.5M from cloud to mine under $1M in crypto
No prizes for guessing the victims A Nebraska man will appear in court today to face charges related to allegations that he defrauded cloud service providers of more than $3.5 million in a long-running cryptojacking scheme.… This article has been…
SIM swap crooks solicit T-Mobile US, Verizon staff via text to do their dirty work
No breach responsible for employee contact info getting out, says T-Mo T-Mobile US employees say they are being sent text messages that offer them cash to perform illegal SIM swaps for supposed criminals.… This article has been indexed from The…
Open sourcerers say suspected xz-style attacks continue to target maintainers
Social engineering patterns spotted across range of popular projects Open source groups are warning the community about a wave of ongoing attacks targeting project maintainers similar to those that led to the recent attempted backdooring of a core Linux library.……
Change Healthcare’s ransomware attack costs edge toward $1B so far
First glimpse at attack financials reveals huge pain UnitedHealth, parent company of ransomware-besieged Change Healthcare, says the total costs of tending to the February cyberattack for the first calendar quarter of 2024 currently stands at $872 million.… This article has…
Google location tracking deal could be derailed by politics
$62 million settlement plan challenged over payments to progressive nonprofits Google’s plan to pay $62 million to settle allegations that it tracked people even when their Location History setting was switched off may have to be renegotiated based on several…
CISA in a flap as Chirp smart door locks can be trivially unlocked remotely
Hard-coded credentials last thing you want in home security app Some smart locks controlled by Chirp Systems’ software can be remotely unlocked by strangers thanks to a critical security vulnerability.… This article has been indexed from The Register – Security…
Roku makes 2FA mandatory for all after nearly 600K accounts pwned
Streamer says access came via credential stuffing Streaming giant Roku is making 2FA mandatory after attackers accessed around 591,000 customer accounts earlier this year.… This article has been indexed from The Register – Security Read the original article: Roku makes…
Delinea Secret Server customers should apply latest patches
Attackers could nab an org’s most sensitive keys if left unaddressed Customers of Delinea’s Secret Server are being urged to upgrade their installations “immediately” after a researcher claimed a critical vulnerability could allow attackers to gain admin-level access.… This article…
US senator wants to put the brakes on Chinese EVs
Fears of low-cost invasion and data spies spark call for ban Electric vehicles may become a new front in America’s tech war with China after a US senator called for Washington DC to block Chinese-made EVs to protect domestic industries…
Identifying third-party risk
The prima facie case for real-time threat intelligence Webinar Cybercriminals are always on the hunt for new ways to breach your privacy, and busy supply chains often look like a good way to get in under the wire.… This article…
US House approves FISA renewal – warrantless surveillance and all
PLUS: Chinese chipmaker Nexperia attacked; A Microsoft-signed backdoor; CISA starts scanning your malware; and more Infosec in brief US Congress nearly killed a reauthorization of FISA Section 702 last week over concerns that it would continue to allow warrantless surveillance…
Zero-day exploited right now in Palo Alto Networks’ GlobalProtect gateways
Out of the PAN-OS and into the firewall, a Python backdoor this way comes Palo Alto Networks on Friday issued a critical alert for an under-attack vulnerability in the PAN-OS software used in its firewall-slash-VPN products.… This article has been…
Google One VPN axed for everyone but Pixel loyalists … for now
Another one bytes the dust In an incredibly rare move, Google is killing off one of its online services – this time, VPN for Google One.… This article has been indexed from The Register – Security Read the original article:…
Microsoft breach allowed Russian spies to steal emails from US government
Affected federal agencies must comb through mails, reset API keys and passwords The US Cybersecurity and Infrastructure Security Agency (CISA) warns that Russian spies who gained access to Microsoft’s email system were able to steal sensitive data, including authentication details…
French issue alerte rouge after local governments knocked offline by cyber attack
Embarrassing, as its officials are in the US to discuss Olympics cyber threats Several French municipal governments’ services have been knocked offline following a “large-scale cyber attack” on their shared servers.… This article has been indexed from The Register –…
Apple stops warning of ‘state-sponsored’ attacks, now alerts about ‘mercenary spyware’
Report claims India’s government, which is accused of using Pegasus at home, was displeased Apple has made a significant change to the wording of its threat notifications, opting not to attribute attacks to a specific source or perpetrator, but categorizing…
Space Force boss warns ‘the US will lose’ without help from Musk and Bezos
China, Russia have muscled up, and whoever wins up there wins down here The commander of the US Space Force (USSF) has warned that America risks losing its dominant position in space, and therefore on Earth too.… This article has…
96% of US hospital websites share visitor info with Meta, Google, data brokers
Could have been worse – last time researchers checked it was 98.6% Hospitals – despite being places where people implicitly expect to have their personal details kept private – frequently use tracking technologies on their websites to share user information…
Global taxi software vendor exposes details of nearly 300K across UK and Ireland
High-profile individuals including MPs said to be caught up in leak Exclusive Taxi software biz iCabbi recently fixed an issue that exposed the personal information of nearly 300,000 individuals via an unprotected database.… This article has been indexed from The…
It’s 2024 and Intel silicon is still haunted by data-spilling Spectre
Go, go InSpectre Gadget Intel CPU cores remain vulnerable to Spectre data-leaking attacks, say academics at VU Amsterdam.… This article has been indexed from The Register – Security Read the original article: It’s 2024 and Intel silicon is still haunted…
Rust rustles up fix for 10/10 critical command injection bug on Windows
BatBadBut hits Erlang, Go, Python, Ruby as well Programmers are being urged to update their Rust versions after the security experts working on the language addressed a critical vulnerability that could lead to malicious command injections on Windows machines.… This…
X fixes URL blunder that could enable convincing social media phishing campaigns
Poorly implemented rule allowed miscreants to deceive users with trusted URLs Elon Musk’s X has apparently fixed an embarrassing issue implemented earlier in the week that royally bungled URLs on the social media platform formerly known as Twitter.… This article…
Turning the tide on third-party risk
Using threat intelligence to mitigate against security breaches Webinar There are some unhappy projections out there about the prevalence of third-party security breaches.… This article has been indexed from The Register – Security Read the original article: Turning the tide…
Chrome Enterprise Premium promises extra security – for a fee
Paying for browsers is no longer a memory from the 1990s Cloud Next Hoping to upsell freeloading corporate users of its Chrome browser, Google has announced Chrome Enterprise Premium – which comes with a dash of AI security sauce for…
Microsoft squashes SmartScreen security bypass bug exploited in the wild
Plus: Adobe, SAP, Fortinet, VMware, Cisco issue pressing updates Patch Tuesday Microsoft fixed 149 security flaws in its own products this week, and while Redmond acknowledged one of those vulnerabilities is being actively exploited, we’ve been told another hole is…
Got an unpatched LG ‘smart’ television? It could be watching you back
UK businesses shockingly unaware of how to handle security threats
US insurers use drone photos to deny home insurance policies
Home Depot confirms worker data leak after miscreant dumps info online
Home Depot confirms data theft after crook threatens to dump inside info online
Puppies, kittens, data at risk after ‘cyber incident’ at veterinary giant
Change Healthcare faces second ransomware dilemma weeks after ALPHV attack
Head of Israeli cyber spy unit exposed … by his own privacy mistake
What can be done to protect open source devs from next xz backdoor drama?
US government excoriates Microsoft for ‘avoidable errors’ but keeps paying for its products
In what other sphere does a bad supplier not feel pain for its foulups? Analysis You might think that when a government supplier fails in one of its key duties it would find itself shunned or at least feel financial…
Hotel check-in terminal bug spews out access codes for guest rooms
Attacks could be completed in seconds, compromising customer safety A self-service check-in terminal used in a German Ibis budget hotel was found leaking hotel room keycodes, and the researcher behind the discovery claims the issue could potentially affect hotels around…
Academics probe Apple’s privacy settings and get lost and confused
Just disabling Siri requires visits to five submenus A study has concluded that Apple’s privacy practices aren’t particularly effective, because default apps on the iPhone and Mac have limited privacy settings and confusing configuration options.… This article has been indexed…
World’s second-largest eyeglass lens-maker blinded by infosec incident
Also makes components for chips, displays, and hard disks, and has spent four days groping for a fix If ever there was an incident that brings the need for good infosec into sharp focus, this is the one: Japan’s Hoya…
Feds probe alleged classified US govt data theft and leak
State Dept keeps schtum ‘for security reasons’ Updated Uncle Sam is investigating claims that some miscreant stole and leaked classified information from the Pentagon and other national security agencies.… This article has been indexed from The Register – Security Read…
Feds probe massive alleged classified US govt data theft and leak
State Dept keeps schtum ‘for security reasons’ Uncle Sam is investigating claims that a criminal stole and leaked classified information from the Pentagon and other national security agencies.… This article has been indexed from The Register – Security Read the…
Ivanti commits to secure-by-design overhaul after vulnerability nightmare
CEO addresses whirlwind start to 2024 and how it plans to prevent a repeat Ivanti has committed to adopting a secure-by-design approach to security as it gears up for an organizational overhaul in response to the multiple vulnerabilities in Connect…
Ransomware gang did steal residents’ confidential data, UK city council admits
INC Ransom emerges as a growing threat as some ex-LockBit/ALPHV affiliates get new gigs Leicester City Council is finally admitting its “cyber incident” was carried out by a ransomware gang and that data was stolen, hours after the criminals forced…
When AI attacks
Watch this webinar for a hair raising journey into the darkest depths of GenAI enabled cyber crime Sponsored Post Artificial intelligence (AI) offers enormous commercial potential but also substantial risks to data security if it is harnessed by cyber criminals…
Nearly 1M medical records feared stolen from City of Hope cancer centers
Is there no cure for this cyber-plague? Nearly one million individuals’ personal details, financial account information, and medical records may have been stolen from City of Hope systems in the United States.… This article has been indexed from The Register…
Omni Hotels IT systems down since Friday, hitting bookings, payments, door locks
As WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger, and more fall offline today Luxury resort chain Omni Hotels & Resorts has had its computer systems knocked offline since Friday in what it has described as a “disruption,” though sounds a lot like the MGM…
Security pioneer Ross Anderson dies at 67
A man with a list of accolades long enough for several lifetimes, friends remember his brilliance Obituary Venerable computer scientist and information security expert Ross Anderson has died at the age of 67.… This article has been indexed from The…
Google bakes new cookie strategy that will leave crooks with a bad taste
Device Bound Session Credentials said to render cookie theft useless Google reckons that cookie theft is a problem for users, and is seeking to address it with a mechanism to tie authentication data to a specific device, rendering any stolen…
Meet clickjacking’s slicker cousin, ‘gesture jacking,’ aka ‘cross window forgery’
Web devs advised to do their part to limit UI redress attacks Web browsers still struggle to prevent clickjacking, an attack technique first noted in 2008 that repurposes web page interface elements to deceive visitors.… This article has been indexed…
Microsoft slammed for lax security that led to China’s cyber-raid on Exchange Online
CISA calls for ‘fundamental, security-focused reforms’ to happen ASAP, delaying work on other software A review of the June 2023 attack on Microsoft’s Exchange Online hosted email service – which saw accounts used by senior US officials compromised by a…
Microsoft slammed for lax security that led to Exchange Online attack
CISA calls for ‘fundamental, security-focused reforms’ to happen ASAP, delaying work on other software A review of the June 2023 attack on Microsoft’s Exchange Online hosted email service – which saw accounts used by senior US officials compromised by a…
Feds finally decide to do something about years-old SS7 spy holes in phone networks
And Diameter, too, for good measure The FCC appears to finally be stepping up efforts to secure decades-old flaws in American telephone networks that are allegedly being used by foreign governments and surveillance outfits to remotely spy on and monitor…
OWASP server blunder exposes decade of resumes
Irony alerts: Open Web Application Security Project Foundation suffers lapse A misconfigured MediaWiki web server allowed digital snoops to access members’ resumes containing their personal details at the Open Web Application Security Project (OWASP) Foundation.… This article has been indexed…
OWASP breach exposes decade of resumes due to misconfigured server
Irony alerts: Open Web Application Security Project Foundation suffers lapse A misconfigured MediaWiki web server allowed digital snoops to access members’ resumes containing their personal details at the Open Web Application Security Project (OWASP) Foundation.… This article has been indexed…
Pandabuy admits to data breach of 1.3 million unique records
Nothing says ‘sorry’ like 10 percent off shipping for a month Ecommerce platform Pandabuy has apologized after two cybercriminals were spotted hawking personal data belonging to 1.3 million customers.… This article has been indexed from The Register – Security Read…
Microsoft warns deepfake election subversion is disturbingly easy
Simple stuff like slapping on a logo fools more folks and travels further As hundreds of millions of voters around the globe prepare to elect their leaders this year, there’s no question that trolls will try to sway the outcomes…
Rubrik files to go public following alliance with Microsoft
Cloud cyber resilience model could raise $700M despite $278M losses Cloud security provider Rubrik has filed for an IPO on the New York Stock Exchange following a flurry of similar flotations.… This article has been indexed from The Register –…
Polish officials may face criminal charges in Pegasus spyware probe
Victims of the powerful surveillance tool will soon find out the truth Former Polish government officials may face criminal charges following an investigation into their use of the notorious spyware Pegasus to surveil political opponents and others.… This article has…
INC Ransom claims to be behind ‘cyber incident’ at UK city council
This follows attack on NHS services in Scotland last week The cyber skids at INC Ransom are claiming responsbility for the ongoing cybersecurity incident at Leicester City Council, according to a post caught by eagle-eyed infosec watchers.… This article has…
Happy 20th birthday Gmail, you’re mostly grown up – now fix the spam
Senders of more than 5K messages a day are in the crosshairs It was 20 years ago on Monday that Google unleashed Gmail on the world, and the chocolate factory is celebrating with new rules that just might, hopefully, cut…
Apple’s GoFetch silicon security fail was down to an obsession with speed
Ye cannae change the laws of physics, but you can change your mind Opinion Apple is good at security. It’s good at processors. Thus GoFetch, a major security flaw in its processor architecture, is a double whammy.… This article has…
Six banks share customer info to help Singapore fight money laundering
PLUS: Google Cloud ANZ boss departs; Japan revives airliner ambitions; China-linked attackers target Asian entities ASIA IN BRIEF Singapore’s Monetary Authority on Monday launched an application, intuitively named “COllaborative Sharing of Money Laundering/TF Information & Cases” (COSMIC for short, obviously)…
US House of Reps tells staff: No Microsoft Copilot for you!
At least not until Redmond’s government edition is ready to roll Staff working at the US House Of Representatives have been barred from using Microsoft’s Copilot chatbot and AI productivity tools, pending the launch of a version tailored to the…
Malicious xz backdoor reveals fragility of open source
This time, we got lucky. It mostly affected bleeding-edge distros. But that’s not a defense strategy Analysis The discovery last week of a backdoor in a widely used open source compression library called xz could have been a security disaster…
Nearly 3M people hit in Harvard Pilgrim healthcare data theft
Also, TheMoon botnet back for EoL SOHO routers, Sellafield to be prosecuted for ‘infosec failures’, plus critical vulns Infosec in brief Nearly a year on from the discovery of a massive data theft at healthcare biz Harvard Pilgrim, and the…
Ex-White House CIO tells The Reg: TikTok ban may be diplomatic disaster
Theresa Payton on why US needs a national privacy law Interview Congress is mulling legislation that will require TikTok’s Chinese parent ByteDance to cut ties with the video-sharing mega-app, or the social network will be banned in the USA.… This…
AT&T admits massive 70m+ mid-March data dump is real, but claims it’s years old
Time to update that password – and four-digit account pin, which was also among the pilfered records That rumored AT&T dark web customer data dump from mid-March has been confirmed, and it’s a whopper: A total of more than 73…
Rust developers at Google are twice as productive as C++ teams
Code shines up nicely in production, says Chocolate Factory’s Bergstrom Echoing the past two years of Rust evangelism and C/C++ ennui, Google reports that Rust shines in production, to the point that its developers are twice as productive using the…